M. Medved's line: “Bush 43's margin would be higher than it is if it weren't for the media's bias.”
“Higher margin”: Does it mean that Gore would have won the election by a bigger margin, if the media would not have called him an arrogant, exaggerator and boring person?

I enjoyed the lines from your father. But I think both Bush and Kerry know that this war is not winnable. They just cannot say it openly in public. Bush once said that this war cannot be won in the true sense of “wining a war”. And Kerry said that the goal is to make terrorism a nuisance, like prostitution.

I want to reiterate my apologies to hen for the tasteless prank that I played to him/her.

I think that the intended point is that rather than Bush43 winning 276-271 in 2000, he would have received more electoral votes resulting in a greater margin of victory.

I see. So he would have actually gotten more votes than Gore in Florida, if the media would not have called Gore an arrogant, exaggerator and boring person. He could have even won New Mexico, which are like 6 more votes and... that's it....?

This is not a topic that really interest me, I just wanted to point out that Bush lost the last election, something easy to forget, but it is in the past. And that the media was not on Gore side. I can show you independent studies, but the topic is boring.

Hi Sono,

Bush actually got the maximum number of votes out of Florida that any candidate could, 25. Most states are an all or nothing system of apportionment with respect to electoral votes. There are exceptions such as Maine which has separate districts for the state, and Colorado has a measure on the ballot this November to propose proportionally splitting its 9 votes, but the others are all-or-nothing.

You may want to review the way in which the electoral college works, because your assertion that Bush lost the last election is false. He won 276-271 (It would have been 277-271, but the elector from DC abstained).

Florida is a big state in terms of electoral votes with 25 in 2000. That's why it is so heavily contested, because that number of electoral votes can give a big swing to either candidate.

Hope that helps.

In order to win electoral votes you have to win the popular vote. Bush got less popular votes than Gore in Florida. That is already well know.

Well, it's certainly not well known by those bastions of the VRWC such as the New York Times, CNN, and the other media outlets who counted and recounted by all sorts of standards and still declared Bush the winner, albeit by a slim margin.

But, hey, if it makes you feel better to think that, go right ahead, just don't try to portray it as fact.

Wrong! When they recounted stadewide as the Supreme Court of Florida asked (appling the principle of equality under the law, same one that Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, O'connors and Renquist said it was being violeted with the recount), Gore won. Gore got more votes. (popular votes, I shoul clarified you, so you do not start again with....)

Go to NORC of University of Chicago together with the largest news organizations in US (probably FoxNews was not included).

And this is without counting the butterfly ballots, people disenfrachised, etc.
But it is not something that I want to keep talking about. It's the past, Bush is the president.

Shark I do not know why I always get in fights on you site.

Hi Sono,

We're not fighting, are we? It seemed that I was merely correcting misperceptions on your part. I bear no ill will towards you. In fact, after reading your last post, I was compelled to investigate the source you are invoking to support your claim. The salient conclusions of the National Opinion Research Center are quoted as follows (emphasis added):

"The media organizations, which also included the Associated Press, the Tribune Co. (owner of the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune and Orlando Sentinel), the St. Petersburg Times and the Palm Beach Post, based their findings on a review of 175,010 contested ballots conducted by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC), a nonprofit survey firm affiliated with the University of Chicago, which the consortium hired last January.

The media report presented as its central finding the claim that Bush would have won the election in Florida—by 493 votes —even if the US Supreme Court had not intervened to stop the statewide recount ordered by the Florida high court. It further asserted that Bush would have won by 225 votes if recounts had been completed in the four Florida counties where Gore was seeking them. "

Oh no. NORC did not make any conclusion. What you are saying is the republican’s spin, reported by CNN and others. NORC only qualified the votes into categories, i.e. No mark vote, Dimpled chad, detached corner, etc. Then you have to go and count them. So you might accept the dimple chad, as valid or not. The republicans interpreted the standards of the different counties as it was convenient for them. Democrats did the same. But when you see intention of the voters, gore won by around 100 votes.
Now, Bush is the president, and that's it, so let's not talk more about it, because is in the past.

Wrong! When they recounted stadewide as the Supreme Court of Florida asked (appling the principle of equality under the law, same one that Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, O'connors and Renquist said it was being violeted with the recount), Gore won. Gore got more votes. (popular votes, I shoul clarified you, so you do not start again with....)

Go to NORC of University of Chicago together with the largest news organizations in US (probably FoxNews was not included).

Somehow is disjoint with:

Oh no. NORC did not make any conclusion.

The statewide-recount is irrelevant because that's not what was certified. What's relevant is that the margin of victory/defeat was much, much smaller than the margin of error. To call it a tossup is one of the few descriptors one can use with any confidence. To say Gore clearly won, when he absolutely did not clearly win (read the NORC final report, for reference) is lunacy.

No. There is not disjoint in what I said.
Cheers.

Ah, so you didn't actually use NORC to bolster your assertion that Gore won the popular vote in Florida? My mistake, then.

Cheers