September 20, 2004
The Pro-Pajama Jeff Greenfield

I caught a few minutes of Wolf Blitzer and Jeff Greenfield on CNN today at around 9:30am Pacific discussing the CBS statement on the Bush memos.

Greenfield expressed the strongest praise for bloggers that I can recall hearing from any major mainstream journalist. He gave a big hat tip to the bloggers who exposed the forgeries (if not by name) and to the blogosphere in general, saying that blogs have "permanently changed" the way that the mainstream media will go about its business, forcing much tougher standards of fact-checking. He said that the mainstream media will have to get used to being challenged by critics from "obscure" places. He also criticized the mainstream media for too often practicing "post-modern" journalism, where a story is held valid as long as it conforms with the writer's beliefs, regardless of the underlying facts. Greenfield also ridiculed the former CBS executive who derided bloggers as guys who sit around in their pajamas, noting that in this case the questions from the guys in the pajamas were sharper and stronger than was CBS' defense.

[Greenfield also equated the forged memos with what he characterized as the discredited Swift Vets ads, ignoring the fact that many of the Swift Vets revelations have been confirmed to be true even by the Kerry campaign. Nobody's perfect.]

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at September 20, 2004 12:03 PM

The devious thing about the CBS climb-down is that they did it with this Burkett "scoop." That means they "broke" the story like they promised AND they backed down without ackowledging that they missed all the obvious clues. Not admitting that other people had valid points means not admitting the huge and inept coverup/smear campaign they have been waging for 10 days, which was half their sin. There must be lawyers in charge over there. What do you think?

PS: I had a similar comment at OTLM, so I hope there are no redundancy demerits.

Posted by: Terry Notus on September 20, 2004 06:06 PM

bloggers did a great job on the facts with the cbs memo fiasco.

can you point to a cogent summary of a blog site that dissected the veracity of the swift boat ads? (i'm not saying they aren't there, but to the extent there are some factual errors in the swift boat ads, or relationships to the bush campaign, i certainly didn't see that widely discussed on certain blogs.) it seems that some blogs only go after stories in line with their political views (which makes sense, after all they are blogs).

Posted by: dinesh on September 21, 2004 10:10 AM


Good luck.

I've been asking that same question for several weeks. All you hear is that the SBVT has been "proven" to be liars, that their documents are all wrong, their claims have all been proven false.

But ask for proof, some sites and links, and you get----nada.

Which is funny---it was mostly conservatives who got the CBS thing rolling, although it would be hard to claim that Newcomer, frex, is a right-winger.

There is NOTHING to keep the Left from dissecting the SBVT claims, from examining the available evidence, from interviewing military folks who are familiar with the weapons. There is NOTHING to keep a web-site from accumulating the various data, or even just acting as a clearinghouse of links.

Atrios, DailyKos, shoot, even Kevin Drum could do that. Yet, there is no such site.

Why is that?

Posted by: Dean on September 21, 2004 03:42 PM

Gee, it must be harder to show that over 250 veterans are lying than it is to show that one lunatic provided 6 forgeries to CBS.

but hey, we all know that the substance of forged memos are true, right dinesh.

Posted by: Mike on September 21, 2004 05:44 PM

Sorry.....should be is true.

Posted by: Mike on September 21, 2004 05:45 PM
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