It's well known that Islam is a Religion of Peace. Fair enough. But then why does the Saudi flag have a sword just below where it's says that "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah"?
I'm just asking.
I should also mention that
The emblem of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia consists of two crossed curved Arabian swords surmounted by a date palm.
UPDATE: Mike Silverman suggests a safety enhancement to the Saudi flag.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 28, 2003 01:25 PMI'm no theologian so if there's a reference source that says Islam is a religion of peace, I'm not aware of it. In fact, I'm so ignorant that "a religion of peace" is exactly the opposite of what I surmise based upon empirical evidence. From what I've heard and seen, Islam is a religion of oppression, fanaticism, and murder. Be nice to see something to counter that obvious erroneous impression.
Posted by: Mike on November 28, 2003 04:50 PMI always thought the writing on the Saudi flag was a hummus recipe. Damn. Thanks for clearing that one up ....
Posted by: Kufr on November 29, 2003 01:02 PMThe Fraudi emblem looks very similar to Afrika Korps...
http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Comments.asp?svComment=1960
Posted by: DANEgerus on November 30, 2003 10:28 PMyes islam is the religion of peace!! im not sure bout the swords but i agree with u!!! so all u guys who think is not u better start findin out more about it......cuz ur rong!
Posted by: im ryt on February 8, 2004 10:08 AMIslam is known as the religion of peace and also one of freedom. Officialy i dont know what the sword represents but i would like to think it represents its ability to defend its right to sorveighnety and defend its citizens. note that riyadh was reconquered in 1905 to form the capital of the country. so defense would be key. one more thing, saudia arabia is not the hub of islam, islam is spread out all around the world and continues to grow. as far as the comment about oppression and all that bullshit. any religion can be used in a negative fasion, especially one that has strong language init and does not try to camouflage its message like christians jewish, etc
just my opinion
Not sure what you mean by Christianity camouflaging its message? Message is pretty basic (10 commandments) and based on peace (Turn the other cheek). I agree that the message of Islam is one of peace but I have very rarely seen it put into practice in any Islamic State. If you can name one Islamic State that has a decent Human Rights record - in any shape or form I would genuinely be interested to hear.
Posted by: Maria on July 5, 2004 12:53 AMall of humankind is fallen. do you think that some are better then others? matbe Christians or Muslims or maybe Indians. The fact is all have fallen. that is why we can never please God. Jesus Christ is the only way. cut the crap, repent and beleive in chrsit for your salvation, enough already of trying to do it yourself, your human not God, nor will you ever be like God. In Jesus we have His righteousness, ours is only dirty.
Posted by: dave the slave on July 21, 2004 04:28 PMThe Sword is actually a historical reference to the fact that Muhammad conquered Mecca (Tradition held that in a conquered territory the Imam entering the Mosque would wear a sword, in a converted territory, a staff of wood).
I am Saudi, a person who is forced to read a lot of offending words by all kinds of western people about his religion, country, and traditions.
Many of you people are remarkably ignorant to other cultures and traditions. No one wants to listen or read about some Middle Eastern country more than what you get from fairy tales like Arabian nights.
You are not asked to enlighten your minds about others if you don't want to. All what I want is that you stop talking about things you don't know and start reading more. for example, you don't know how many people speaks English in Saudi Arabia and I am sure you are going to be shocked if you compared the numbers with the number of Americans who speaks Arabia for example. What I am trying to say here is WE, Saudis, whom you like to think of as some barbarians with many oil wells are more open minded and cross culture educated than many of you.
What do you know about the typical Saudi life style? ... nothing I guess.... but on the other hand I would say that if you take any 25 years old Saudi and put him in London for example he would manage his life there as if he was born there, you wouldn't even notice it, not that he will like it, but he can do it because he knows about other cultures more than what you think you do.
The point is please try to understand others and think about how would you take what others say about you if you were Saudi.
As for the swords, it represents the Arabian knight dignity and bride and his duty to defend his land and people, it has a very deep historical origin of course. I don't see why it could be misinterpreted for being against peace. But hey, the American flag doesn't have any symbol of a weapon, does this make America a peaceful country??!!. Compare the number of countries been (and still) evaded by American or Saudi troops and you will know who is peaceful.
Iwould like to know if the two swords on the saudi emblema represent the founding tribes of saudi arabia,the ihkwans and the saudis?
ps:dear brothers and sisters in the West hold tight to the rope of islam.I am myself a westerner by blood and birth and converted to islam as an adult after being educated in christian schools.
It has always amazed me that many westerners are so preoccuppied with showing how "violent" Muslims and Islam is. It is, in fact, disturbing that you readily point out how Muslims either ignore the peaceful message of the Koran, or that the Koran contains no such peaceful message to begin with. The fact remains that Christians, blessed and peaceful their bible truly is, are the grandest perpetrators of atrocities and world domination than any others. It was the crusaders who slaughtered the civilians of Palestine and Lebanon, most of whom were Christians themselves. It was the Germanic tribes who pushed the relatively civilized Roman Empire further into obscurity... It is the progeny of those same Germanic tribes whose fraternicidal wars were so protracted as to earn names like "Hundred Year War" and "Thirty Year War." It was these who began and ended the World Wars, one of whom is to this very day the only country to have ever used truly unconventional arms. It was they who first enslaved, and then colonized and imperialized all of Africa because it was their "God-given" right as "civilized" people, then divided it along artificial borders that would place the bitterest of tribes within the same borders. It is they who nearly wiped out the Jews... they who left the world at the brink of a final war during the cold war... they who create and sell weapons, conventional and unconventional, to both sides of many wars. Therefore, don't address the Muslim world of its PRESUMED violent nature when you've so much violence in your history to fuel never-ending criticism and soul-searching. You are hypocrites! The swords on the Saudi flag likely represent the sword of the Saudi regime which so cruelly severs the neck of its civilian population, with all the blessings of the west. It is ironic that such Saudi oppression creates such rabid antiauthoritarianism and hatred of the west that poor, generally peace-loving Western civilians are killed! Where is logic in the mind of the hypocrite? Do not talk to me of peace and violence lest I point to your blood-soaked hands.
Posted by: Arab-American on November 22, 2004 09:42 AMConcerning the swords of the saudi flag, It is a farce that brings a tear to the Arab's eye... That flag which is, in the imagination, defending the people of Arabia, actually threatens it. The hand that grasps those swords secretly primes the rifle the enemis of Arabia. It is fact that those "swords of Arabia" were happily wielded by the British against the Turks and never used against the west.
Additionally, I see no problem with having a Sword on a flag, but I do see a problem with having nukes in arsenal. The latter is something that Arabs cannot be accused of, whether they have butterflies or a Colt 45 on their flag... So wise up.
Posted by: Arab-American on November 22, 2004 09:54 AMIn response to DaneGerus, whose "nom de plum" is wonderfully ironic considering how peaceful Germanics are, I offer the following. You mention the Afrikaans, whose primary western support was, in fact, the USA.
Posted by: Arab-American on November 22, 2004 09:59 AMONE DAY.. SOON OR LATER... BUT SURE IT WILL COME..
ISLAM WILL BE THE MOST POWER RELEGION IN THE WORLD...
EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...
EITHER YOU WANT IT OR NOT...
EITHER YOU ARE MUSLIM OR NOT...
BUT...
SURE IT WILL COME...
SURE IT WILL COME...
SURE IT WILL BE...
WAIT FOR IT...
Posted by: Sultan on December 2, 2004 11:32 PM.Looks like God kicked Allahs muslum [Oops!] with (Tsunami) big flush of
dead muslums. how many 200,000 dead ragheads, so much for ALLAH you
[Oops!] heads. Cut some more heads off you scumbags and see what God
does to the rest of you. You hate everyone, but sure love a hand out, go
burn some more flags while your at it. Muslums are the worst of liars.
Yes, Islam is a religion of peace when they are not: - flying aircraft
into buildings - bombing Aussies in Bali - bombing trains in Madrid -
killing shoolchildren in Beslan - sending their children on suicide
bombing missions to kill Jews - Beheading people in Iraq - Rioting and
killing Christians in Nigeria - Burning Christian Churches in Kosovo -
Murdering Film directors in Holland - Threatening Dutch politicians with
murder - Gang raping women in the suburbs of France - constantly
shouting 'death to America, death to Israel' - suicide bombing compounds
in Saudi Arabia - bombing synagogues in Turkey Violent jihad or holy war
against unbelievers. Murder, stealing, torture, slavery and rape against
unbelievers is acceptable if couched in terms of jihad. Christians and
Jews allowed to live in Muslim dominated lands provided they pay a
special tax and accept their status as second class citizens. The status
of polythiests is tenuous at best, they will eventually be eliminated
either by persecution or death. My dear brother, please read Chronicles
of Islamic Wisdom. Here are a few excerpts from the book of one of Islam
s' supreme spiritual leader: Ayatollah Khomeini: "A man can have sexual
pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not
penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages
the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her
life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent
wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister" - From
Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran,
1990. "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep?s, cows, camels and
so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He
should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however
selling the meat to the next door village should be fine". From
Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran,
1990 "If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel,
their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may
no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as
possible and burned." The little green book, Sayings of Ayatollah
Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious with a special
introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47"It is
better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin
menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any
father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in
heaven" - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol
Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 REMEMBER IRAN CONTRA? Eleven things are impure:
urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an
excrement-eating camel.Ayatollah Khomeini I'm so scared i have a wart on
my [Oops!]. Is it a [Oops!] sucking muslim ? 93% muslim males have
[Oops!] and/or genital warts. ALLAH!! Homosexuality is widely practised
in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals,Muhammad (the evil
perverted prophet) promised his followers pre-pubescent boys in
Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this
life, the male followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal
youths who are fresh like pearls. (72 Virgins, 28 young boys and the
virility of 100 men...) dead Warrios of Allah (suicide bombers and the
like) believe that today. The most important information to know about
Muslims,is that they will smile to your face and cut your throat from
the back. Muslims are EVIL, period!!! Like Muhammad, Ayatollah Khomeini
and most other Islamic clerks, Iranian Mullahs and American Catholic
Priests, are perverted mentally and sexualy.(paedophiles) WAR WAR WAR
WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR. Booooom!! You get to meet
that [Oops!] wipe allah :) Evil Killers , Mass Murders, Rapist, and
LIARS call themselves islamic muslims and pray to a ( moon god ) they
call allah, Muslims scream (allah akbar) as they cut off heads of people
who will not pray to their MOON GOD. Their lives are orchestrated by an
evil book called the (qur’an). Muslims are killing thousands of Innocent
Children, Women, and Men, God Have Mercy. As a group of people they are
some, if not the most Evil the world as ever seen. Learn of them, fear
them, OR pray to their Moon God. They teach their children that only
Allah fearing muslims are worthy of life and after life. Their aim is to
destroy us, they respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and
murdered. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. Terrorism is
not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology.
They call that ideology Islam. The entire world, both Muslims and non-
Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked the religion of peace
and Islam does not condone violence. Who is lying? Do the terrorists
understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this
question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will
result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran
and the history of Islam. Those of us, who know Islam, know that the
terrorists of Islam are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and
did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead, to delight the hearts of
the believers were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and
were observed by Muslims throughout their history. If truth has ever
mattered, it matters most now! The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam.
The proof of that is the Quran. No matter how painful the truth may be,
only truth can set us free, Why so much denial? A nuclear disaster is
upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but "when". How
many more innocent lives will be lost before YOU open your eyes? A
nuclear disaster is upon us. We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop
with excuses, justifications and rationalizations,stop dividing mankind
into us vs. them and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind!
Muhammad was not a messenger of God. Terrorists take their moral support
and the validation for their actions from the Qu'ran. Your very
adherence to the Islamic cult of death, is a nod of approval for their
evil crimes against humanity. We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being
politically correct, lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To
Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives,and the lives of
millions of innocent people. Millions, if not billions of lives will be
lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! All it takes for evil to
triumph is for good people to do nothing. Do something! Send this
message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same.
Defeat Islam and stop terrorism, one billion dead evil muslims is not to
many if it saves humanity. Together lets say to HELL WITH MUSLIMS, THE
Qu'ran, an the pedofile, pervert, murderer Muhammad (as he burns in
HELL),.. Allah, evil God of the Qur'an, Qur'an evil doctrine of nasty,
brain dead, weak minded, not quit human muslims. ALL 9/11 terroist where
muslims, all suicide bombers are muslims, all TOWELHEADS are Muslims, do
not let muslims live in your towns, they will destroy your way of life
and cause you much evil as they change your laws to comply to their
lislamic laws of the Qu'ran. Muslims CAN NOT live in peace, even with
eachother. Example: Muslims hate more that they love their
childern,Muslims will tie a bomb on their own children to kill another
human. God Have Mercy Direct quotes from the Quran: ANNOUNCE PAINFUL
PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3) O Prophet! urge the believers
to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two
hundred... (8:65) Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are
those who disbelieve (8:55) And fight with them until there is no more
persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39) When the sacred
months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM,
AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN
EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers]
and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5) And if they
intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted
unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM
(8:71) FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM
TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14) FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT
BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah
and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT
OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they
pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF
SUBJECTION. (9:29) O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and
the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and
evil is the destination. (9:73) O you who believe! fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and
know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123) I WILL
CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE
OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE
THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS
ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN
REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS
IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who
disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And
whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside
for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed,
becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil
destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who
slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was
Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift
from Himself; (8:12-17) And that you should judge between them by what
Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious
of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to
you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them
on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people
are transgressors. Is it then the judgment of the times of ignorance
that they desire: and who is better than Allah to judge for a people who
are sure? O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR
FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES
THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT
GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE. (5:49-51) The punishment of those who pit
themselves against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief
in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or
their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they
should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this
world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
except those who repent before you have them in your power (5:33-34)
Believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist,
it is better for you; Allah is only one god: far be it from his glory
that He should have a son. (4:171) What is the matter with you, then,
that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has
made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to
guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to
err, you shall by no means find a way for him. THEY DESIRE THAT YOU
SHOULD DISBELIEVE AS THEY HAVE DISBELIEVED, SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE ALL
ALIKE; THEREFORE TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM FRIENDS UNTIL THEY FLY THEIR
HOMES IN ALLAH'S WAY; BUT IF THEY TURN BACK, THEN SEIZE THEM AND KILL
THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM A FRIEND OR A
HELPER. (4:89) As for those who disbelieve in Our communications, We
shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned,
We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the punishment
(4:56) Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah - they
shall have a severe punishment; and Allah is Mighty, the lord of
retribution. (3:4) Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight
with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but
Allah,' and whoever says, None has the right to be worshipped but
Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic
law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to
forgive him.)" (Hadith 4:52:196) Allah's Apostles said, "When a slave
(of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at
the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the
time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a
believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he
commits a murder," 'Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, "How is faith taken
away from him?" He said, Like this," by clasping his hands and then
separating them, and added, "But if he repents, faith returns to him
like this, by clasping his hands again. (Hadith 8:82:800e:) [So, with
the clap of a hand, they can do whatever they want?] The Prophet said,
"The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at
the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a
believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic
drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of)
repentance is open thereafter." (Hadith 8:82:801) (Isolated incident)
...then prostrated himself, and all who were with him prostrated too.
But an old man took a handful of dust and touched his forehead with it
saying, "This is sufficient for me." Later on I saw him killed as an
infidel. (Hadith 5:59:311) [yes the Jews and Muslims are both
descendents of Abraham, but here is the attitude towards descendants of
Abraham through Isaac (the Jews]: "If they find you, they will be your
enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their
tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve.
Your relationship would not profit you, nor your children, on the day of
resurrection; He will decide between you; and Allah sees what you do.
Indeed, there is for you a good example in Abraham and those with him
when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what
you serve besides Allah; WE DECLARE OURSELVES TO BE CLEAR OF YOU, AND
ENMITY AND HATRED HAVE APPEARED BETWEEN US AND YOU FOREVER UNTIL YOU
BELIEVE IN ALLAH ALONE (60:2-4) Contrast that with what Jesus said: "But
I say to you, love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless
them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. Be
merciful as your Father is merciful. This is My commandment, that you
love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no man than this,
that a man lay down his life for his friends." Jesus, SON of God See
What about the Old Testament? and What about the Crusades? Again,
Mohammad first went to the Jews as a prophet, writing of peace; was
rejected. Mohammad then went to the Christians claiming to be a prophet
and wrote peace; was rejected. Mohammad went back to his own people and
was rejected until he (for a short time) said Allah allowed them to
worship Allah's daughters. Mohammad then began to slaughter unbelievers
and masterminded over 60 massacres, and the Quran changed dramatically
to hate, that is why there are so many contradictions. That is also why
there are so many familiar phrases and precepts between the religions.
Mohammad appeared on the scene over 600 years after Jesus was
resurrected, he tried to claim to be a prophet, though illiterate, he
knew the scriptures of the Bible well. But "Allah" is certainly NOT the
God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The characters are exactly opposite! In
fact the Hebrew phonetic word Allah (aw-law) means to lament, mourn and
curse. (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance #421, 422, 423) Hate Muslims?
NO! Jesus would never have advocated hating anybody! But should we
insist our children "assume you are a Muslim soldier" about to conquer a
nation? Should they memorize the tenants of Islam, repeat the words,
pray to Allah, build Mosques, imagine they are Muslim and write what
they like about it? NO!!! And at the same time, school textbooks claim
that the Old Testament prophets could not tell the future (yes they
could when God revealed it to them countless times!). Additionally, the
textbooks actually teach that the Israelites only accepted what the
prophets told them so they could explain away the disasters they went
through! "Across the Centuries" and "Message of Ancient Days" claim the
religion of Islam is truth, (beliefs are given as fact) and that Judeo-
Christian beliefs are false. Public schools INSIST our children learn
this. WHERE ARE OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS??? A true account of history
shows that Islam repeatedly attacked Christian lands, desecrated
sanctuaries and tortured Christians who fought back without desecrating
Mecca in return. Yet Houghton Mifflin and modern historians would rather
vilify Christians than give the truth. A Deadly Give and Take Crusaders
fought many terrible battles in the Middle East, but Muslims started—and
won—the war. by Paul Crawford, assistant professor of history at Alma
College in Alma, Michigan. He specializes in ecclesiastical history with
emphasis on the crusades and military orders. Osama bin Laden called
America's response to September 11, a "new crusade and Jewish campaign
led by the big crusader Bush under the flag of the cross." He clearly
meant to link the military campaign to European campaigns from a
millennium ago, during which, the prevailing mentality holds, Christian
warriors unjustly attacked Islamic possessions in and around Palestine.
By establishing this connection, though, the fugitive fanatic admits
more than he alleges. In the Middle Ages, as in 2001, Islam struck
first—and in such a way that the West would certainly respond. Waves of
conquest Jerusalem has changed hands many times over the centuries, but
the seventh century was particularly tumultuous. Pagan Persians stormed
the city in 614. Eastern Christians, led by Byzantine Emperor Heraclius,
reclaimed it by 630. Within a few years, though, Islamic forces had
broken the Byzantine military and chased them out of Palestine.
Jerusalem surrendered to a Muslim army in 638. Construction began soon
afterward on a mosque at the Temple Mount. Sophronicus, the patriarch of
the city, is said to have burst into tears and wailed, "Truly this is
the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet!" After
capturing Jerusalem, the Muslim armies poured through the eastern and
southern provinces of the reeling Byzantine Empire. In the 640s Armenia
in the north and Egypt in the south fell to Islam. In 655 the Muslims
won a naval battle with the Byzantines and very nearly captured the
Byzantine emperor. By 711 Muslims controlled all of northern Africa, and
a Muslim commander named Tariq had set foot on European soil—on a rock
that took his name (Jebel al-Tariq, corrupted into Gibraltar). By 712
Muslims had penetrated deep into Christian Spain. At the battle of
Toledo that year, they defeated the Spanish and killed their king. The
Spanish kingdom promptly collapsed. Surviving Christians retreated into
the mountains of northwestern Spain and dug in their defenses. The
Muslim armies bypassed them and began raiding across the Pyrenees into
France. Meanwhile, in the East, Muslims continued to push into the
Byzantine Empire. By 717 they had landed in southeastern Europe, and
they besieged the Byzantine capital, Constantinople. Had they taken the
city, they might have conquered the entire continent. But the Byzantines
resisted. Their capital would not fall to Islam until 1453. Western
Christians stopped the Muslim advance into their territory in 732 at the
Battle of Tours (or Poitiers), France. Charles of Heristal,
Charlemagne's grandfather, led a Frankish army against a large Muslim
raiding party and defeated them, though Muslim raiders would continue
attacking Frankish territory for decades. For his victory, Charles
became known as the Hammer—in French, Charles Martel. After regrouping,
Muslim forces began to move into south central Europe, lauching
invasions of Sicily, Sardinia, and Corsica in the ninth century. They
mounted operations on the Italian mainland as well, sometimes at the
invitation of quarrelling Christian powers. In 846 Muslim raiders
attacked the outlying areas of Rome, the center of western Christianity.
This act would be comparable to Christians sacking Mecca or Medina,
something they have never done. Toward the end of the ninth century,
Muslim pirate havens were established along the coast of southern France
and northern Italy. These pirates threatened commerce, communication,
and pilgrim traffic for a hundred years or more. During the tenth
century, however, the tide began to turn. In the East in the 950s and
960s, the Byzantines mounted a series of counterattacks. They eventually
recovered the islands of Crete and Cyprus and a good bit of territory in
Asia Minor and northern Syria, including Antioch. They lacked the
strength to retake Jerusalem, though they might have struggled harder
had they known what terrors the city would soon face. New threats In
1000, much—perhaps even most—of the population of the Holy Land was
still Christian, of one affiliation or another. This was about to
change. One reason was the rise of a local Muslim ruler named Hakim, who
was possibly insane and certainly not an orthodox Muslim (he claimed to
be divine). Hakim persecuted Christians and Jews fiercely. In 1009 he
ordered the destruction of the rebuilt Church of the Holy Sepulchre in
Jerusalem. The Christian population of the Holy Land began to shrink
under his tyrannical rule. Hakim aroused great hostility even from other
Muslims, and his reign was soon over. The Byzantines, distressed by the
damage to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, negotiated with the Muslims
and in 1038 were allowed to begin rebuilding it again. But the losses to
the local Christian (and Jewish) communities were harder to repair.
Another, and perhaps more serious, cause of distress for the local
populations of all faiths was the intrusion into the Middle East of the
Seljuk Turks. The Seljuks, pagan nomads from the steppes of central
Asia, made steady inroads into the more sophisticated world of the
Muslim Arabs in the early eleventh century. In 1055, the Seljuks
captured Baghdad, destroying a long-lived Muslim dynasty and seriously
disrupting the stability of the Middle East. This might have provided an
opportunity for the Christian Byzantines to recover their lost
provinces, but even as the Seljuk Turks conquered the Arabs, they
converted to Islam. The Muslim Arab overlords of the region were thus
replaced by harsher, coarser Muslim Turks. Pleas from the East In 1071
Byzantine Emperor Romanus Diogenes confronted a Turkish invasion force
in the far eastern provinces of the Byzantine Empire. The two armies met
at the village of Manzikert, near Lake Van, and the Byzantines were
utterly defeated. As a result of this disaster, the Byzantines lost all
the territory that they had recovered, painstakingly, in the ninth and
tenth centuries. This included the entirety of Asia Minor, the
breadbasket and recruiting ground of the empire. Succeeding Byzantine
emperors sent frantic calls to the West for aid, directing them
primarily at the popes, who were generally seen as protectors of Western
Christendom. Pope Gregory VII received these appeals first, and in 1074
he discussed leading a relief expedition to Byzantium himself. But this
proved impractical, and no aid was offered. The Byzantines continued
sending appeals, however, eventually finding an audience with Pope Urban
II. Allah, who, according to Muhammad, orders all unbelievers to be
killed torturously to strike terror in their hearts. Allah gives an
open-ended invitation to KILL ALL unbelievers, infidels, Christians and
Jews that do not submit to Allah. This is a standing open-ended order.
The Houghton Mifflin textbook claims that all is well for those who
simply pay the poor tax and remain in their own faith, but it fails to
mention the rest of the verse which states one must keep up prayer to
Allah. Christians and Jews WILL NOT DO THAT. So all is NOT well as
fingertips, hands and feet are cut off among other grisly acts Muslims
continually try to convince Christians that we believe the same thing,
when in fact, beliefs are distinctly opposite. Muslims do not believe
Jesus is the Son of God for the Quran states Allah has no son. The Quran
states Jesus is a teacher and that Muhammad is THE prophet. The Quran
curses Christians and Jews for our beliefs. Muslims claim the Bible is
corrupt. This is rather hysterical since Muhammad claimed the Quran was
an extension of the Bible and would never contradict it, yet because it
was written by Muhammad, it flip-flops in the Quran. Muslims who claim
that Islam is peaceful will point to the verses that condone the Bible.
But Muhammad changed his mind. Ask any family member of dead Christians
in the Sudan, slaughtered by Muslims following Muhammad's writings. The
Bible is full of exact names, dates, places, whereas the Quran believes
things like Noah, Moses and Jesus all lived at the same time and Mary
was the sister of Moses, Miriam. Many loving peaceful verses are written
in the Quran, until Muhammad was rejected as a prophet by Christians and
Jews, and then the instructions are bitterly to kill us. Muhammad
demonstrated this himself as he led many slaughters as a warrior against
Christians and Jews. Why? Because we correctly would not accept him as
prophet. When Jesus came, the new covenant began because people broke
the old one, not God. (Jeremiah) God is always making provisions,
extending His arms out to a rebellious people, calling to us, He even
sent His only begotten Son… What about the Crusades? The Pope did not
call knights to arms to gain more land as the textbooks claim. One of
the "most famous speeches in history" shows that the Pope described how
churches were being desecrated as Christians entrails (guts) were cut
out and one end staked down. The Christian was then whipped as he tried
to escape, alive, entrails hanging out until he died. Islam was
conquering nations and spreading, it was only a matter of time before
England would stand alone. There was no choice, the knights gave up
lands and riches to defend their brothers in Jerusalem. Why the history
books have chosen to write history with Christians as the bad guys is
explained in the Bible. "They will hate you because they first hated
Me." -Jesus I have wondered what the true calling of Western Islamic
groups really is oftentimes as I read about what they are doing and what
they are trying to accomplish. Groups such as CAIR, ADC, CIOCG, IAP, and
others have been very proactive in trying to push out literature to the
people of this nation in media and through civil activities that tell us
how harmless they are and how they have no ties to terror, how peaceful
they are. There have been lawsuits all over the nation that have tried
to quench the Free Speech of Americans who have done little more than
quote individuals and groups and question the intent of those quotes. I
really have to wonder how much cash is spent in delivering this message
to the public and how it could be utilized for a better purpose if
Muslims truly want their religion to be seen in a different light. Did
any Christian organization start lawsuits when the media attacked their
faith through the acts of Jim Jones? Do we see a flurry of lawsuits by
Jewish individuals and groups towards Islamic groups that have called
them Monkeys and Pigs? Do I see Jews killing those who have left Judaism
for another religion? I do not see this on a mass level, and no Muslims;
it is not due to the Jews owning the media or the Zionist Christians who
support them. It seems to those outside your bubble that is simply is
inherent within Islam to fight those who disagree with you or refuse to
accept your ideology as truth. We in our non-Mohammedan religions allow
people to disagree or dismiss what we believe, and to the shock of
Islamists worldwide we allow them to even leave our faiths without fear
of brutal death and intimidation to their families. It is because in the
true sense, our faiths are not those of compulsion. Though some have
been aggressive in trying to proselyte, and some have done so in a
manner that would even turn people from religion, we let them be. We
feel that God will judge those who do not want to hear our message in
the afterlife and in the end all will get their reward one way or
another. We also feel that God is quite able to defend Himself from
blasphemers and evildoers and has no need for us to fight His battles
for Him using terror and brutal tactics. Our God has no need to blow up
a school bus or a shopping mall. Our God has no need to sneak around and
send His children to their death to force people into His way of life.
We feel our God can fight His own battles, unlike Allah who seems to
bless those who murder and dominate, if we are to believe the global
acts of terror and the ranting of imams. Our God punishes those of us
who do so. Even for those who believe in no afterlife, or in
reincarnation. The tenets are closely tied to God Himself being judge. I
wish Allah would fight his own battles. It would save the lives of so
many and allow children to live and enjoy life rather than perpetuate
unadulterated evil in order to enjoy some strange sexual bliss in Muslim
heaven. And we do not issue fatwahs against the lives of those who make
fun of our religions. So why do Islamists feel such a great need to push
an agenda and use lawsuits to keep people from speaking their mind? And
how much money has been spent on this huge blitz to try and make people
see something they do not seem to see? Why, if Islam is so peaceful, do
you have to spend millions on literature, ads, and lawsuits to convince
people of something that should be self evident if what you say is true?
Your proactive stance in this nation and other nations should not be to
show westerners that your religion is peaceful. It should be used to
protest and sue those who supposedly have hijacked your religion. It
should be used to keep students in Berkeley from chanting about being
martyrs during an anti-terror protest. It should be used to keep people
like the Boston street gang M-13 from giving your religion a bad name.
Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus are not using vast amounts of money
to have to tell the world they are peaceful. Because perhaps they are
inherently peaceful in spite of a few who have used religion for evil
purposes, and anyone looking closely at them would see that. Why not use
those funds to dismantle militant groups in America? Why not use them to
extradite militant imams in the mosques you want everyone to believe are
havens of goodness and peace? Why not use them to form huge protests
against mosques in England, Canada, and America that are preaching
violence, domination and hate? Why not use them to speak against
organizations like Hamas instead of publicly claiming they are merely
patriots who have a right to commit terror? Why not use them to print
literature that shows them how and why your Koran and Hadiths are so
peaceful in spite of the violent verses so prevalent in them? Or why not
use that money to depose your own group leaders who speak in such an
inflammatory and flamboyant way of desiring an entire Islamic society
within these nations? Why not use those vast resources to train peaceful
missionaries of Islam to go into the hundreds of militant schools in
Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Syria to teach those people about the Islam
you so badly want westerners to buy into? You see the daily bombings in
the Middle East. You hear about clerics who spew hatred and death. You
hear the inflammatory fatwahs and sermons. You know the clerics who call
Jews monkeys and pigs, and call Christians Zionists. In fact, some have
been right there under your nose within your organizations. Some in fact
are in prison for their ties to terror. Money that has been taken from
people thinking about charitable deeds has been propping terror
activities against innocent people. And if these were small and isolated
incidents most educated people would toss it off as just that. But it
seems the events and deeds of those are seen daily throughout the world.
Slavery, torture, genocide, oppression, death, a twisted form of
martyrdom, kidnapping, murdering those who speak against your religion.
It’s all there. It is documented, it is happening; it is being
perpetuated on a global level. Why not use those funds to fight those
crimes against humanity? Why not create lawsuits against those who so
blatantly misuse your peaceful religion for evil? Instead, you use it to
create propaganda, you use it to allow groups of people and mosques
preach hate by funding them or protecting them. I have read the Koran
and the writings of Islam. I see the word Jihad more than I do the word
peace. Perhaps you protectors of Islam, you apologists for Mohammed, it
is not the people hijacking Peaceful Islam for evil purposes. Perhaps
Islam has been hijacking peaceful people for evil purposes. If you
desire to show the world that Islam is peace, use your money and energy
fighting those who supposedly gave you the reputation you have. Because
no other religion I have seen has had to fight so strongly to convince
people they are peaceful. I think you need to carry the fight to your
own people, your own cultures, and your own leaders. It is not those of
use who are from peaceful religions that need the convincing. It is the
Islamists who need to be convinced not to do evil deeds, not those who
question or fight those deeds. So drop these lawsuits against those who
question your deeds and your proclamations and use it change Islam from
within. Because until you do, those of us without will never take you
seriously, and your words will fall in silence to the shouts of
martyrdom and insults towards those who refuse to believe. I have heard
on and on about how Islam is peaceful. Some of our politicians as well
as pretty much all Muslims make this claim. I have looked, I have read
the Quran, Hadiths, I have tried to find the peace that I am told is
within the Islamic writings. And yes, there are some. But I see the more
violent aspect of the religion within those writings and in the actions
of those who are using them to commit atrocity. Just this week in New
Jersey we see a family wiped out because they disagreed with some
Muslims online. I have personally received threats and intimidation as
well as other writers I know who have had to change their names due to
threats. So tell me, followers of Mohammed, why are you so intolerant of
those who disagree with your religion? Do you see other religions
forcing their ideology onto entire populations? Do you see Christians,
Jews, Buddhists, and others cutting throats? Kidnapping? Committing acts
of suicide while in the midst of committing murder? Killing innocent
people? Do you see over 90% of the world's conflicts and wars having any
religion other than Islam involved? Do we see Christian pastors teaching
to kill Muslims? To Hate Muslims? To fight daily against Muslims, as
Islam does with Jews and Christians? Can you show me in the Bible where
it says to slaughter those who disagree with you? Can you show me where
the Bible or any other Holy Book orders to occupy and dominate lands and
people and force them to submit or die to Christianity? Can you show me
where any other religion is celebrating great catastrophes caused by
their religion as the Imams in England do? Can you show me where
Christians danced in the streets and passed out treats during the Iraq
War or after the Tsunami because we see dead Muslims all over the world?
Or do you see us sharing our wealth and resources with a religion that
has shown only that they desire to kill us? Tell me Oh Muslim, what is
more holy? To forgive your enemy and aid them when they lay dying? Or to
use your mosques and Holy places to plot terror and hide munitions? To
raise our children to love one another or to raise your children with
rifles in their arms and a mind set that sends them into public areas
with bombs strapped to their backs? You can show me all the Quranic
writings you may have on peace. And you can tell me how little you think
I understand on Islam. But I know what I read, and I know what I see.
And I know what threats have been made to me for merely speaking my
thoughts. Though I have never threatened or vowed to kill anyone in this
world for blaspheming my God or my Religion. I have never had that moral
authority given me through Christian Scriptures. There is nothing in the
Bible that would condone my celebrating death or to order me to kill.
The Christian Jesus never lifted a sword to any, nor did He defile
Himself with women, nor did He rob a caravan. He lived a life without
sin in order to be made a Perfect Sacrifice. If Mohamed really served
the same God, he would have never claimed to be who he was, nor would
the Quran and Hadiths show so much violence. Tell me, if you are a
Peaceful Religion, WHAT is the meaning of Peace to you? The meaning of
Peace to everyone else seems to take on a whole different meaning, a
different interpretation. Most people generally think of it as non-
conflicting ways. No wars, no terror, no oppression, no violence. How
long will this world suffer the Sudan? How long will we suffer Chechnya,
the Philippines? How long will we suffer Iran and Syria funding and
sending terror worldwide? How long will we suffer Saudi Arabia financing
Madrassas worldwide to instill violence against non-Muslims? How long
will we watch families slaughtered for disagreeing with Islam as in New
Jersey? How long will we see people murdered in the street for making
fun of or disagreeing with Islam as in the Netherlands recently? How
long will we watch idly by while Palestinians murder innocents on school
buses? How long will we suffer Hamas and Al Qaeda? How long Oh Muslim,
shall we sit and listen to how peaceful this religion is? How long shall
we watch no progress from "peaceful" Muslims? And when you can truly
define peace to me with your actions and bring back that peace to the
nations and peoples you have slaughtered, terrorized, kidnapped,
enslaved, and forced Islam upon, you can preach to me about your
peaceful ways. Because when it comes down to it, we do not care about
what you say. We care about what you do. So please, no more words, you
followers of Mohammed. Your words have been made numb by the actions of
your people. And our ears have been turned deaf to your scriptures by
the loudness of the bombs that explode in our cities. And even the
patience of the best can be tried before they decide to act upon your
"peaceful" ways. Until this world becomes quiet enough, peaceful enough
to listen to your words, we will listen to the actions of those who feed
your hungry and rebuild your homes. I prefer that to the screams of
"Allahu Akbar" in celebration of death.
World Hope, Freedom, Peace, Love, free speech
Lets make America safer from Muslim Killers,Rapist,and liars.
(1) Seal our borders, and ports. No illegal immigrants allowed to enter
America.(2) Deport all but native born muslims to the middle east
countries. (3) Out law the Islamic religion. Declare it a threat to
national security. (4) Convert islamic Mosque into public recreational
facilities for young people. (5) Double the sizes of our military. (two
year military service mandontory after high school, Starting pay, twenty
thousand a year )
(6) Remove Islamic dictators that do not promote civil rights!
(Vote World Freedom Fighter for President.)
PS> The GEN> is right.,it's a hell of a lot of fun too kill muslums.
You should try it. HO!! I forgot Muslums allready kill anyone, even
other muslums. Allha!!
The words of
Samuel Adams:
"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution,
are worth defending at all hazards;and it is our duty to defend them
against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from
our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger
and expense of treasure and blood,and transmitted them to us with care
and diligence.
It will bring an ever lasting mark of infamy on the present generation,
enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by
violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the
artifices of false and designing men."
Posted by: wff on February 6, 2005 12:16 PMFirst, your double- spaced rambling attempt to feign an intellect more sophisticated than a baboon'sis deeply disturbing. You would be well advised to accept your nature & climb a tree. Perhaps, after bible study, you can mount your apish mother & drive your philosophical Points home.
What, I ask you, do you prove by citing a litany of idiotic sources of which even Faldwell himself would be suspicious. Further, when did Khomeini become the Grand Pope of Islam? More than 90% of Muslims would consider him a heretic, worthy of being your father.
You are truly a filthy, filthy,insensitive, bad red-necked ape for disrespecting the innocent women, men, & Children who lost their lives in the tsunami. How ironic that you are concerned with defending "pre- Pubescents" from Khomeini yet celebrate the death of innocent children.
I would bet that you are also a nut that blindly denies evolution. Funny, because you may very well be an intermediate evolutionary stage, lingering between chimp and man. At best, you are an unsophisticated hypocrite, praising Christian virtue of forgiveness and pacifism, while wishing death on a third or more of the world's population. My religion allows me to hate you as the mischievous SOB that you are, so at least I'm no hypocrite.
I apologize to all decent Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Good Muslim = Good Christian = Good Jew = Good Human-being! Last, apologies to the great apes, baboons, and chimps for my degrading comparisons with the author of preceding comment.
Posted by: WFF is a monkey! on April 4, 2005 09:28 PMWFF u deserve worse than what you got by who ever replied to you. However i like the style the guy replied to you at: very simple, hits the spot and shows what kind of a person you are. You should be a Social Outcast. Go and educate your mind and then come and act smart around ppl with the information you supply. However i doubt that your have a mind in the first place.. so maybe you should try to get a specialist to deal with you.
Posted by: buffalo on April 25, 2005 10:12 AMWFF, you are deeply disturbed. It's deranged, xenophobic, insecure, and socially rejected people like you who propagate a completely warped image of Islam throughout the world. I am not a Muslim, but I have lived in Muslim countries for most of my life, and I know them to be peaceful, hospitable, kind, respectful people. No matter what the West may have done to them (and trust me, that's a lot of bad things), they would never disrespect our religions in the way you have so horrifically disrespected theirs. You should be ashamed of yourself. Go out, get an education, and get a life.
Posted by: deeply disturbed on May 5, 2005 07:55 PMTHESE ARE THE MEANINGS:
swords = strngth and justice>>>>>>>>thats all( dont beleve the other western-made stories)
palm tree = generousity
Thanks
Saudi man
Islam will dominate the world, the whole world!
yeah right!
to you all muslims out there I have this simple
question: has anyone among you ever won the Nobel prize in any science?
you have all become so narrow-minded and against
free thinking that you find science to be against Islam, Islam is a set of laws and nothing more,
My country experienced over 400 years of Turkish
and Arab occupation, but thank God we kicked you
out, we were incredibly under-numbered but we
managed to defeat you because you are thickheads,
just like the Israelis today are much less in number than you but a lot more clever, well I guess they don't have to take breaks to pray five times a day while they are fighting you,
to all muslims, we sent you into humiliating defeat some 160 years ago because you tried to
force Islamic type tyrany on us and destroy our
culture, your mosques are still left here empty,
how come Allah didn't help you out to spead Islam?
I guess it was Allah's will to fail wasn't ?
Posted by: GEORGE on July 18, 2005 02:10 AM
Back to the initial comment, and Question...
The Flag.
The script on the flag is Arabic, and it contains the shahada or Islamic declaration of faith that is written in the Thuluth (Font Type) script. (Generic that we all know)
The sword in this case was added when King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud became King and is a symbol of justice to the Saudi people. (We all know)
The Saudi Logo.
The Palm Tree signifies Generosity and Peace.
The Swords are a symbol of Strength, and Dignity.
What we tend to forget is that state flags are synonymous to a country's symbol, and their cultural beliefs only, and not as the religious symbol (even though religion is tied into it).
So the flag in question is ONLY pertaining to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's meaning of the flag, and not what the west, or others thinks of the symbolism. The fact is there, believe it or not, no discussion.
Side talk: Islamic flags are sometimes shown with a crescent moon and a star, does that mean they believe in Aliens? Does the Republican flag represent what eastern culture perceives as an Imbecile? How about an Eagle that holds a bunch of arrows and an olive branch? That Americans are predators that snatch trees and Native Americans from the ground? No. The Saudi flag happens to have the Islamic Shahada, and a sword that has a much deeper meaning than what a non-Saudi will understand, don't try to read into it through another mentality otherwise we get off-topic remarks and unnecessary hatred. Don't try and devalue the art, or the religion by trying to adapt another’s belief.
We answered the question, and why are we debating it? If you don’t believe it, don’t try to convince Saudis that they used the wrong symbol for Justice... period. I will not try and convince someone that the use of a lady wearing a blind fold means, that Americans believe women should wear Togas, and shop blindly.
Again, this is a symbol for Saudi Arabia, Not ISLAM. The palm tree is a noted pleasant and a symbol of Saudi Arabian agriculture, not necessarily other countries (that practice Islam). I can easily look at this and say "oh yeah this symbolizes how Saudis hate trees and want to cut them down” we can really get more absurd rational, but ones state of mind determines what we will see in a picture.
So lets not go on bashing other people to prove the "we are better than you theory", and let's not throw stones on people who are having a hard time. It's an endless debate...
Some people are overly enjoying their rein on top just because they CAN be heard. And I for one would love less hate being spewed about other races and more practice of what some people call understanding.
Sorry for the rant, but I hope that answered your question.
Posted by: JAZ on August 3, 2005 10:29 PMWhat does the flag mean ?
the writing is the ideology and the Sword
is the instrument for:
(1) 9/11
(2) rape and murder in Darfur
(3) rape and murder by Pakistani troop in Bangladesh during 1971 (2 million dead)
(4) Bombs at the London and Madrid metros.
(5) Increase in rape rate in Europe.
(6) genocide of christian by Turks (1 Million dead).
(7) Support for Hitler by Mufti of Jerusalem during the war. He even met Himmler and saw the gas chamber being used.
(8) Murder of male members of entire Jewish tribe by Mohammed, women were sent to brothels.
(9) destruction of the Zoarastian religion in Iran, this was a good religion.
(10) Saria law i.e chop the hands of a theif, however the islamic state can steal other people land and steal their wealth.
(11) Hamas, Al Queda, and other terrorist groups.
(12) Human rights abuses in Islamic countries.
(13) Muslim on muslim violence.
GREAT RELIGION KEEP IT UP.
Posted by: The truth on October 4, 2005 11:53 PM