Reuters reports that
An Israeli air strike killed a Hamas militant and wounded 26 other Palestinians in Gaza City on Friday as the Jewish state, which later launched a second air attack, promised a "war to the bitter end" on the Islamic group.Meanwhile,But the United States urged restraint on its Israeli ally.
U.S. troops killed 27 Iraqis who they said ambushed a tank patrol on Friday, after killing at least 70 at a guerrilla camp the day before, in the bloodiest clashes since major combat was declared over.I have always supported the war in Iraq and accept the loss of 97 enemy soldiers as a legitimate price to pay in the pursuit of U.S. national security. On the other hand, I can't help but notice that no Iraqi, to my knowledge, has ever blown himself up on American public transportation. It seems both tasteless and counter-productive for the administration to call on its ally to exercise more restraint in fighting terrorism than the U.S. exercises. Especially when that ally's citizens suffer proportionately more at the hands of the same Islamofascists that we're all fighting together. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 13, 2003 03:08 PM
How many consecutive days of child mauling in your public playground do you wait before you shoot the damn dog? Israel needs to ignore Powell, the UN, the EU, the international press, etc and just do it. Arafat needs to be killed now as he sleeps for starters........then bring in the tanks and helicopter gunships. The anti-Semites and press in Europe(and the usual suspects here) will scream foul play and Kofi Annon will feign disappointment. Who cares. They don't matter. Israel is now a critical key in launching some forward motion in destroying our common enemy. There is no road to peace to preserve and it has become immoral to let innocent Israelis die for this fiction.
Posted by: penny on June 13, 2003 08:49 PMGood point. The same day we thought it was OK to strike at terrorists, we slap Israel for doing the same thing...
Posted by: Gunner on June 13, 2003 10:41 PMNote that the neo-islamic quislings at Reuters gave prominent display to that to that collection of seditous clowns, the IBC:
"The Iraq Body Count's (IBC) latest figures -- in a survey of 15 counting projects from media and independent investigators both inside and outside Iraq -- put the minimum number of civilians dead at 5,534 and the maximum at 7,207"
These henny-penny like assholes are quick to point out their own delusional bias and Reuters rolls with it without question...
Posted by: russ on June 14, 2003 06:29 AMI frankley couldn't care less if Hamas men die, but evermore Isreali Defense force assults on the west bank are the not the complete answer. Frankley if you want to pursue this policy it will only work if you are prepared to kill every living thing in Gaza, is that what you want? Please don't say yes.
I wonder, in Northern Ireland the media always peddled this idea that "...ordinary people just want peace". In these situations I'm sure thats not true I think allot of people just wanted victory and revenge. Unfortunately that kind of victory is not achievable accept through the above scenario. The real priority should be peace not victory. Plaestine will always be able to send bombers, all ways as long as there are occupyied people with powerful grudges you can bet on it. The one thing Palestians, or any other Arab nation can't do is over run Isreal. Peace with all the sacrifices it demands is the only thing that will stop the killing. You cant deal with Al-Queda because their ideals are totally incompatable with the Wests vision of the 21st centuary. Now hold your breath for the unpleasant tasting part, the Palestinians even Hamas have achievable demands. Officially the PA line is 2 states, And yes Hamas talk of destroying Isreal the know that can't happen, you talk up the odds before haggling.
America needs to take a leson from the experts (and their most loyal allies), the Brittish. Just compare how much better the Brits are at controlling their sector of Iraq than the Americans. Now I know that you Americans have a fondness for the IRA. It is worth remembering that their aim was and is a united Ireland which clearly isn't going to happen anytime soon but the Brittish were still able to brooker a cease fire, a workable peace. Its slender peace but it has improved everyones lot. Perhaps you would have had us send helecopter gun-ships into Belfast? would Challanger tanks and Bull dozers crashing through the Bog-side killing innocent civilians really have been a better option for Northern Ireland?
Now I'm guessing at this point I am already everthing the majority of posters on this board despise. As I said frankley I couldn't care less if Hamas men die, however if you want peace some times you have to make peace with the enemy not your co-opted fall guy. You can sign a road map with the Impotent Palestinian Authority, but Abul Hamza isn't the enemy your fighting. The Palestinains will just abandon him altogether if he is seen as an American stooge. And the PA couldn't stop Hamas even if it wanted to Isrealli tanks and jets have seen to that. I couldn't care less if Hamas men die but I don't care less if US soldiers die in Iraq, or the IDF or IRA at the end of the day there all just hired killers There all bastards but at the end of the day but its war, its those guys that have to stop killing each other. In the mean time its the guy who gets caught in the middle that gets my pity.
I'm just glad that Mr Bush has seen this.
Posted by: Malcolm on June 17, 2003 04:33 AM
Man I'm sick of all this pussy footing around. If you have a rabid dog you shoot it not negociate with it. I mean in Iraq what the hell we doing there we liberated them and they aint showing any gratitude, I say fine you shot at our boys we go to your village burn it down, kids got no where to stay tough don't mess with the US. Iraquis gotta realise we won we tell them what to do.
I say 1 GI is worth a million of them. And this oil for food, no way first priority we get the bucks to pay for the war, fairs fair they started this mess WE had to get them out of this. Its time people showed the US RESPECT. As for Isreal, if they thrown out all the Palestinians in the 1st place they wouldn't have this problem. We have gotta get away from this idea of collateral damage. In war their is only one kind of collateral damge Americans dying. If we had used daisy cutters on Baghdad from day one we would not have lost any US troops.
Posted by: FREESPIRIT on June 17, 2003 05:13 AM