The "Win Without War Coalition" bills itself as a "mainstream voice advocating alternatives to preemptive war against Iraq". The coalition includes groups that are mainstream at, say, your average Santa Cruz nudist colony, e.g. Tikkun, Greenpeace and Global Exchange. Its alternatives to American national security and restoring human rights to Iraq include: (a) unilateral disarmament and (b) helping Saddam remain in power.
The group is organizing a massive Virtual March on Washington on February 26, where they ask you, valued citizen, to take serious action to keep Saddam in power without even having to leave your living room! Yes, you too can help Janeane Garofalo and Martin Sheen support Saddam's repression of Kurds, Marsh Arabs and Iraqi homosexuals. Or you can make a statement against the appeasement of tyranny. All you need to do is visit the Virtual March website, leave your name, zip code and a brief statement and they will assign you a time when you can call the White House and your U.S. Senators to read your statement. At the appointed time your statement will also appear in the MoveOn chat room!
I encourage everybody to sign up. I even signed up twice.
My main statement is "Support the President. Liberate Iraq. Oust Saddam. Appeasement kills". I also left an anti-war statement under the pseudonym Bob Sphincter of 1212 Headinanus Drive, Baghdad, Massachusetts. I believe the organizers will be sending Senators Kerry and Kennedy a fax on Mr. Sphincter's behalf.
Most importantly, I am also organizing as a counter-protest a "Virtual March on Hollywood", where the virtual marchers send jars of mayonnaise to the various celebrity spokeshairdos for the Virtual March on Washington -- Janeane Garofalo, Martin Sheen, Mike Farrell, Anjelica Huston, et al
Why jars of mayonnaise? So these actors can refill their heads when they start to leak.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 20, 2003 07:00 AMDon't be surprised if they ignore your comments and add your names as two "supporters." These guys (moveon.org) are the same mainstream, nonpartisan dweebs who tried to prevent a regime change here in 1998. I logged on to their web site, which provided a ready-made email to my then-Congressman, George Miller, urging him to censure the perjurer-in-chief and "move on." I edited the message to clarify that I wanted Clinton impeached and booted out of office, and only then should we "move on." All this got me was a form e-mail from "Representative" Miller, thanking me for my unqualified opposition to the evil Republicans' partisan witch hunt.
Posted by: Xrlq on February 20, 2003 10:21 AMI'm glad you are hitting back. I agree with the above poster in that moveon.org will represent any statement made to their site as unqualified support. However, I will gladly participate in your "Virtual March On Hollywood". Sign me up.
Posted by: Susan Shepard on February 20, 2003 02:35 PMFight the Power. Down with Saddam Hussein. Throw the bum out. No more inspection trickery and no more helping him get weapons of mass destruction.
I encourage President Bush to unite the civilized world (that's Isreal, England, Australia and Eastern Europe) to destroy Saddam and his regime, and to free the oppressed people of Iraq. If we don't do it now we will have to do it later, at greater cost to all.
Thus always to tyrants.
Posted by: Mick the Quick on February 20, 2003 03:15 PMI think that the virtual March on Hollywood is a great idea! Couldn't we organize a campaign to spam the "celebrities", their pro-Saddam organizations, production companies, etc. with pro-freedom messages?
How do we organize it? Count me in.
Posted by: Rick on February 20, 2003 04:05 PMSieg Heil Bush! Iraq is to Bush as Poland was to Hitler only Hitler had the support of his people.
Posted by: Mike on February 20, 2003 04:17 PMHa ha ha! Look at the funny little troll (Mike)! If you poke it, he'll make his funny noises again... But seriously, if MoveOn does silence the opposition, it certainly won't help their image (if they care).
I forget who said it, but it's very true: last weekend's anti-war protests got as much turn-out AROUND THE WORLD as did the movie "Kangaroo Jack".
Posted by: Derek on February 20, 2003 04:33 PM"It's time for the US to step up to the plate and shape the post cold war world in it's own image; Free people, free markets, free conscious, and free speech. “Let freedom ring from every village and every hamlet” or let us die in the attempt to bring it there rather than let others live as hostages to the will of lesser men. This process may be slow, but it is necessary because it is no longer in our national interest for any other thing to be the case. Liberate Iraq, NOW! "
That's my antiwar statement. I believe in peace through empowerment with real power.
Don't the Hollywood elites and the peacenics understand how futile this is?
First, Senators can no longer do anything as they have already voted and authorized the President to take action. Second, the President has already said he will not let the duped change his mind and he will protect the American citizen.
It seems to me they are like the gerbil running on his wheel! He gets NO WHERE! Just alot of wasted energy, time and money.
What would help is if we organized to call the White House in support of the President say a day or two after the 26th.
Posted by: lshannon on February 20, 2003 04:53 PMYou can always keep adding fake names, like C. Porthewar or K. Ilsa dam.
Hey. That might be fun, and it ought to take some spots away from the numnuts.
Posted by: Meryl Yourish on February 20, 2003 05:50 PMI don't think it is "mayo" that is leaking out of Martin Sheens ears. It appears to be a brown substance....
Posted by: Larry D on February 20, 2003 07:40 PMThis should make it easier:
http://www.geocities.com/countermarch2003/
Press it once, press it often.
being a dirty old man, i clicked on your link to the santa cruz nudist colony...the photos are not exactly an incentive to rush to join, but there was a line in the text which was priceless:- "...a volleyball game was in full swing"....
Posted by: gerry schor on February 21, 2003 05:49 AMCount me in too!
Posted by: Goose on February 21, 2003 09:27 AMAs someone who works day in and day out in Hollywood and among the Hollywood elite, I find it comforting that the outside world, what the elite refer to as "flyover states", still exhibit common sense as evidenced by the majority of these posts.
Rick's spam idea is particularly appealing.
I believe it's worth exploring an apology emailing as well. That is, how many of the Hollywood rich are going to apologize when hostilities end and the discovery of Saddam's vast (yeah, I'm taking a leap of faith here) stores of biological/chemical weapons in whatever form, are discovered?
How do I go about mailing mayo?
Posted by: Jim in Hollywood on February 21, 2003 07:56 PMI've got the Florida Senators at 11:54 and 11:59, and the White House at 12:04.
My message:
"Liberate the suffering Iraqi people from Saddam's brutal regime. Forcibly remove and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Let's roll!"
Posted by: BarCodeKing on February 22, 2003 01:50 AMAnd Countermarch, you rock... I went and pressed that button about fifty times. :-)
Posted by: BarCodeKing on February 22, 2003 02:00 AMhey dude who runs this blog,
if you're not an asshole, you'll do just fine until one comes along. what a wit.
Posted by: some guy on February 22, 2003 09:49 AMHey -
Where can I get an "APPEASEMENT KILLS !" bumper sticker ?
I found this site after being so upset when I saw a picture of Dan Rather with Saddam after the interview. Would this interview have been allowed if it were Hitler? I want to march on CBS News and Dan Rather. How can this march be organized? And why is Dan and CBS allowed to share these bs ideas with America? Does Dan think that Saddam is a good guy, whose opinion should be shared with America? I say boycott CBS and lets let Dan know how much of an a--hole he really is.
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Posted by: William on February 27, 2003 10:18 AMI think the lot of you should take a quick lesson from the people you're maligning. Examine the issues, Examine what President Bush says that we're fighting for, and then Examine how much of what he says you think is actual fact and not just a trumped up, overblown effort to stay in power. It would seem to me that the man is just poking around the world attempting to figure out which countries might possibly pose a threat, and then bleeting out a load of jingoistic rhetoric to further his cause.
At least these actors and actresses are using their power for something other then gleeming free designer clothes.
Posted by: J-Rock on February 28, 2003 08:47 AMYea - they're using their power to allow a rain of death and destruction on the citizens of the U.S.A.
Posted by: tom on February 28, 2003 09:09 AMThat wasn't what I meant. These celebrities are attempting to point out that there are other methods of disarming Saddam then bombing Iraq to pieces. As a person with many friends in the armed forces whom I would prefer not to lose I am fully supportive of their efforts. Sometimes war is inevitable, but this isn't the case here.
These celebrities are supporting methods of disarming Saddam without further loss of life, and since that is something that should be important to all of us, I think perhaps their position on the issues should be further evaluated before people start name calling.
On another note, why is it that people on this board felt it necessary to attempt to stop people expressing themselves to the country's leaders? (registering false names in the march on Washington.) Perhaps a more effective form of protest would have been to not be involved at all.
Posted by: J-Rock on February 28, 2003 10:32 AMhttp://www.winwithoutwarus.org/html/mission.how.html
Posted by: J-Rock on February 28, 2003 10:34 AMHi, "J-Rock".
(a) I linked to that mission.how.html link in the body of my original post.
(b) you criticize people who "register false names in the (armchair) march on Washington". Are we to believe that J-Rock is your real name?
(c) these celebrities ideas on "disarming" Saddam are completely silly. They will still lead to plenty of loss of life, but I guess Martin Sheen feels that the Iraqi civilians that Saddam's regime killed, and would continue to kill have no value. The only disarmament the world should accept is Saddam's total disarmament, meaning he doesn't get to keep any weapons of any kind, and that includes missiles, guns and torture chambers.
Hi Stefan:
(a) I just saw that. (oops)
(b) I registered my real name for the virtual march.
(c) I agree that Saddam should be completely disarmed. I also think that we should be willing to acknowledge any and all steps taken in that direction as significant.
Posted by: J-Rock on February 28, 2003 12:46 PMJ-Rock, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there can be only two possible scenerios here. We (the US) sit back and wait to see what happens (to us) next, or we go on the offensive and "root out" terrorism. Are there other possibilities? As an American with a brother-in-law in Kuwait, I don't want war, but I do not want further terrorism even more. The President said after 9/11 that we would confront ALL those who support terrorism. Are you saying that Saddam Hussein does not, or has never supported terrorism? Giving legitimacy, which it seems you're doing, to Saddam Hussein or his gov't is the most ludicrous idea of all. If you really cared about people and humanity, including Iraqi civilians, you'd be supporting the elimination of this ruthless dictator. In my opinion, not supporting the war is the MOST selfish position you can take. Not wanting to lose those things that you hold so dear: your wealth, possessions and/or your own life. This is what drives ALL celebrities to their anti-war position. The left accuses the President of being the selfish, cold-hearted, oil hungry killer that Saddam is. I think it's time to realize who's on the correct side here and support the President, who although may not support Hollywood’s or your idea of what we should do, does support what the majority of American’s want.
Posted by: Jack on March 4, 2003 06:36 AM